there's attacks against corporations and attacks against the defense department. but in this case, to try to take down the central services cyberterrorism that would disrupt electricity or water distribution or any number of other things that would be devastating to our country. >> these are on the level of success which is out there and related to what happened in r n iran. how do you change what is happening there? do you need something cataclysmic to release the polarity that is happening there in the beltway? >> it is the strangest thing in the world. i served 30 years in the congress. i've told everybody that the people i served with, men and women, republicans, democrats, are the finest people i've ever met. i mean, smart, thoughtful, care about their country, love america. and, yet, when they come together in the institution s s these days in their caucuses it doesn't work. the notion these day is compromise is a four-letter word so don't you dare compromise. the lubrication of democracy is having two people to feel differently and compromise. >> what is it